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Occidental Development Foundation
International ARCHAEOLOGY, MALAPROPISM AND EXEGESIS DIVISION |
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Register: RF-23 (See Ya FVA) |
Type: Graffitto |
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Location: Warwick, NY |
Origin: Unknown |
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Full Inscription/Graffitto: SEE YA FVA LIVES
V.4.78 ON! |
Translation: Unknown |
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Photo Specimen A:
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Photo Specimen B:
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ONE OF THE GREATEST MYSTERIES OF THE WORLD For years, scholars and amateurs alike have pondered the meaning of the mysterious message scrawled upon the exposed rock face of the Mt. Peter region of Warwick, NY. Popularly believed to have been written by a race of giants from Crete, the See Ya FVA graffitto continues to captivate into the twenty-first century. As part of its continuing dedication to academic excellence and cultural enrichment, the Occidental Development Foundation International recently established a new Archaeology, Malapropism and Exegesis Division with the express mission of analyzing and interpreting the text, the most famous Neolithic feature of the lower Hudson Valley. The Archaeology, Malapropism and Exegesis Division has scheduled a major symposium for 21-27 March 2005 at Imperial College in the UK, and many of the worldıs leading FVA scholars will be on hand to discuss the latest findings, as well as debate current methodological issues and problems of interpretation. Below is the email correspondence of two of ODFIıs leading experts in the AME Division through the fall as research gets underway. |
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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:17:27 -0700 (PDT) See Ya photos jeff- tell me if you got these! and start making some
theories! TIM |
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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Re: See Ya photos Tim, Excellent reconaissance work out there. This is certainly one mystery that
needs solving. Those pictures
are incredible. The graffitti
looks so ominous and foreboding in the images...it really looks like some
political warning or resistance message...like FVA is the acronym for some
Third World rebel group and stands for something like Frente Vigilante y
Armado...but they are writing in English to throw everyone off their tail. Did FVA "Live On"? A Question for Debate The thing that always struck me about the "See Ya
FVA" series is a strange feeling that perhaps, despite their boast, the
FVA group didn't "Live On" at all. That graffitti has been there as long as I can remember,
and indeed, my belief is that the cryptic code written on the lower left of
the message is nothing more than a date, written using an obscure symbology
typical of other Southern New York State highway writings. So, if my hypothesis is correct, and
it is in fact a date, it is not unreasonable to assume that the graffitti in
its entirety may have all been written at the same time, in 1978. Obviously, FVA was an important organization. They had some access to all-purpose
long-lasting outdoor paint. They
must have also had some rudimentary technology to access the cliff face to
inscribe the message, as it is at a forbidding height from ground level. They were probably educated at some
point in their careers, learning to write Roman as well as Arabic numerals
and the letters of the Latin alphabet.
However, it can be surmised that their education never got far,
because instead of using the Standard English form "you" in their
address to the viewer, the scribe opts instead for the colloquial Orange
County form of "ya."
Of course, it has been posited that "Ya" may in fact be
someone's name. Without further
written evidence, it is impossible to ascertain what the scribe intended. Nevertheless, what remains is thus: the organization, FVA, has at least
one member, the scribe, who is at least moderately educated. The organization also has some access
to scaffolding technology or otherwise to be able to write a graffitto at
such a height. And finally, they had to have some financial backing in order
to undertake a project such as this.
So, if a group had enough clout and influence to write a
startling and bombastic message in 1978, why did they stop there? I have no knowledge of any other
FVA-related graffitto in the Warwick Valley, or indeed the Orange County
area. Perhaps this was a last
ditch effort by a rebellious group that was slowly becoming obsolete or
extinct in the face of increasing social pressures of the late 1970's. Much has yet to be written on other
variables, including the time period that nearby Route 17A was built, the
amount of Warwick-Greenwood lake traffic in the 1970's and the role of Linda
Tripp in all of this, considering that she was arrested in Greenwood Lake
around the time I hypothesize the message was written. Perhaps she was somehow involved in
this shadowy organization, and she took the fall. If I think of anything else, I will inform you. Thank you again for your brilliant investigative
work. This picture is going on
my desktop. To your health, Jeff |
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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Re: See Ya photos jeff, i am DEEPLY moved by your hypothesis regarding FVA. In
fact, i am still laughing and peeing in my pants from reading it. we should
open the See Ya FVA files on the Invader site as soon as we re-do the october
page. have you been able to work
on it? I have some feedback on the case, but need to peruse further your ideas. I
think we are on to something with this. now i don't want to know the real
story behine the grafitto. I am afraid it will be boring and therefore
depressing. it is a dark and
cold day today. i think the orange is catching up with cardiff. i will write more l8r. TIM |
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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) other FVA theories jeff, The FVA code is, in fact, biblical. V.4.7.8 stands for
book 4, which is the gospel according to john, and it refers to verse 7-8.
hence, the V. The verse refers to a figure in light everlasting. It has become apparent that FVA was a
charismatic leader of a millinarian cult movement, and he was a messiah whose
message of truth, reconciliation and ressurection has been scrawled upon the
wall in a apocalyptic fashion, signaling end times when we will
all be obliterated and FVA will "Live on." It is also possible that FVA was a prostylitizing
missionary who, upon leaving warwick at the turn of the century, his apostles
of the mountains scrawled a valediction for passerbys of the future to
commemorate FVA's historic stop in warwick. The graffitto could be nothng more than a historical marker of a special visit.
The embedded code would still reference FVA's favorite biblical passage, one
which would hold great significance to his group of followers. It has also been speculated that FVA is an acronym for
this leader, who goes by a branded style logo name, which forsaw the
corporatiziation of religion and the acronymization of entities. FVA most
likely stood for Free Veterans Association or Fred Villanova Accountants. Or perhaps Franciscan Vissectitiude
Ascetics. The name still remains a great and unsolvable peice to the puzzle. FVA most likely left warwick in a state of celebration
and the writer of the graffitto intended that generations upon generations of
warwikians would come to revere and respect the memory of this great religious leader.
It would be interesting to see if FVA left permenant impessions upon
other communities in the lower Hudson valley. There is no indication if FVA
actually "lives on" or not. However, if FVA lives on in our hearts
and minds, he is never really, truly dead. Therefore, FVA actually
"Lives on" TIM |
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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Re: FVA
Code Cracked, maybe? jeff, I did a google search for the v.4.7.8 code and there's what
i found in the search: is this weird or WHAT!??! iXBT.com: ??????? 2: ????? ... ???????: WinXP Manager v.4.7.8 — Alien @ 13:15 ???????? ??? ???????
? ?????? ??????? ?????. ... www.ixbt.com/news/soft/archive.shtml?soft20030917 - 39k |
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Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Re: FVA Code Cracked, maybe? Tim, This code is troubling. Obviously, someone (or something) has anticipated our
search, and thus left this puzzling reminder that we may be in over our
heads. I think FVA may be more
powerful than we previously imagined. On the topic of FVA: If this graffitto was in fact written in a Late Antique
Latin script (and the style and form of the letters indeed meshes with that
of funerary inscriptions and mileage markers from the Late Roman Empire),
then the "V" in "FVA" may in fact be a modern
"U". This changes our
interpretations immensely, as F-U-A makes infinitely more sense as an acronym. Possible frightening organizations
utilizing the FUA acronym include:
Fanatic Underground Alliance, Fascist Union of America, Frontal Urban
Assault and the famed Fraternity of Unorthodox Activities, among others. I am working on cracking the iXBT code. I think it's time we paid these iXBT
people a visit to find out what they know about FVA/FUA. Yours in Christ of the Pierced Cross, Gotfredus Cambrensis |
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Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) This is getting sick TIMOTHEVS WARVICENSIS: Again, brilliant work with your interpretation of the
code here. However, upon careful
inspection of the photograph, I wish to take your initial concept a few steps
further. V.4.7.8...clearly a
Biblical passage, perhaps serving a dual role as a date, as I stated in my
first hypothesis. I disagree,
however that the passage indicated is in the New Testament for several key
reasons.
1. The use of the V
(Roman Numeral five) is reserved primarily
for the ordering of Old Testament books, and is especially common for
the five books of ancient Jewish law including Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Therefore, V corresponds to the fifth book of the Pentateuch, ie,
Deuteronomy.
2. Until we receive some
information regarding the age of Route 17A and the creation of the cliff face
in question, we may safely assume that the graffitto predates the Christian
era.
3. The residents of the
Mount Peter/Greenwood Lake area have always shown a
special affinity for the early books of the Old Testament. It is therefore logical that they would choose to
mention a passage
from this part of the Bible on any permanent inscription. V.4.7.8:
Deuteronomy 4:7-8 (7) What other nation is so great as to have their gods
near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him? (8)
And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws
as this body of laws I am setting before you today?" Obviously, the scribe chose this passage because it
echoes some of the themes of superiority and eternity previously favored by
the FVA group. The
"nation" or here, FVA, exalts itself above all else, much as the
ancient Israelites thought of themselves as above their "heathen"
neighbors including the Phoenicians, Amalekites and especially the inhabitants
of Midian. God is on the side of
FVA, or so the scribe purports, and the Greenwood Lake graffitto is intent on
broadcasting this message to the world. To tie Deuteronomy 4:7-8 in with the main message of the
graffitto, "SEE YA FVA LIVES ON!" one merely must note the dual
themes of invincibility and timelessness present in both. Considering the brash and almost
recklessly optimistic tone of "SEE YA" we are able to detect a
similar attitude in Deuteronomy.
The Deuteronomy author is essentially saying the same thing as the FVA
scribe, but in the context of ancient Israel viz. the rest of the heathen
world. Unfortunately, at this
stage, evidence is scant to be able to ascertain who the FVA scribe principally
intended his audience to be, but the message is the same: "We are moving forward, while
the rest are either stagnating, or moving backward." The God of the Israelites is of
course omnipotent, and to the author of Deuteronomy, any nation who chooses
to ignore God will be left to eventual destruction, whereas those who believe
and follow His law will be rewarded.
The second part of the Greenwood Lake inscription
"FVA LIVES ON!" reiterates the concept of the timelessness found in
Deuteronomy 4:8. The laws of the
Pentateuch were written to stand the test of time, and it is a testament to
their staying power that there remain some ultra-conservative groups who seek
to re-implement the laws in modern societies. It is certain that in writing the laws down, Israelite
scribes were in essence proclaiming that Jewish law "Lives On!" in
a way that unwritten law, such as the laws of the Ammonites in present day
Jordan, could not, and as a result, would be lost forever to posterity. FVA (regardless of the controversy of the meaning of the
acronym), wishes to insert itself into the timelessness that is alluded to in
Deuteronomy and is fulfilled by the act of writing. Whereas in a pre-literate society, the knowledge and existence of FVA
would be difficult to sustain once the members of the group were deceased,
with the aid of writing, a piece of the group could survive into later epochs
and in a very real sense "Live On." This fundamental concept was mentioned in your last email, and I think is
very appropriate to the discussion here. Sincerely, GOTFREDVS WARVICENSIS (not Cambrensis) |
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Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Re: FVA jeff, your investigation into the FVA case i completely
intrinsic to the ODFI mission statement. i am deeply impressed by your tenacious detective efforts.
it is heartening to know that someone is determined to get to the bottom of
this perplexing mystery. unfortunately, there is no rosetta stone rubric from
which to work, so your theorizing is truly groundbreaking. I am sitting here in this completely dingy computer lab
smiling from ear to ear and laughing heartily to myself. i can't control my
happiness that you have latched onto FVA in such a complete way. i am delighted, in fact. i love you! i have drawn up some new intitiatives for The Invader
during class time. I have also put out an executive search team to find new
blood for the ODFI board. They have discovered two enlightening candidates.
Ed Pantaloni as ODFI Commission Chair and E.E. Ellerby as Invader News
Analyst and Guidance Counselor. I will tell you more about them when my head
hunting team has reached completion. I also have developed new concepts and
ideas and revisions for The Invader, yet have no concrete plan for
implementation. (of course!) Talk to you L8r. yours in coats of arm, TIM |
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Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Re: FVA Code Cracked, maybe? Tim, When written as it is on the rock face, the graffitto really looks like a weird inscription that I've been reading about this past week.
SEEYA
FVA
V.4.7.8 LIVES ON! This is pretty similar to something I saw in a book about funeral markers in Wales: AVSTALIS
DIBVS XIII VAGATVR
SIB COTIDIM I really am getting carried away with this. It's so much fun.
I've spent more time on this issue than I have on my coursework today. And I had a lot to do...oh well, there's always tomorrow. Godspeed, Jeff |